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The Help
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I have this terrible, dreary feeling in my diaphragm area this morning, and I’m not positive what it’s about, but I blame some of it on this book, which I am not going to finish. I have a friend who is mad at me right now for liking stupid stuff, but the thing is that I do like stupid stuff sometimes, and I think it would be really boring to only like smart things. What I don’t like is when smart (or even middle-brained) writers take an important topic and make it petty through guessing about what they don’t know. I can list you any number of these writers who would be fine if they weren't reaching into topics about which they have no personal experience (incidentally, all writers I'm pretty sure my angry friend loves. For example, The Lovely Bones, The Kite Runner, Water for Elephants, Memoirs of a Geisha, etc.). These are the books for which I have no patience, topics that maybe someone with more imagination or self-awareness could have written about compassionately, without exploiting the victimization of the characters. They’re books that hide lazy writing behind a topic you can’t criticize. The Help is one of these.
You’ve got this narrative telephone game in this book. The telephone game is pretty fun sometimes, and it is really beautiful in monster stories like Frankenstein and Wuthering Heights because what they are telling me is not intended as trustworthy or earnest. All of the seriousness in monster stories is an impression or an emotion reflected back through the layers of narrative. I don’t feel that way about the topic of The Help, though. In this book, a white woman writes from the point of view of a black woman during the Civil Rights movement, who overhears the conversations of white women. It's an important topic, and I don't want to hear it through untrustworthy narrators.
So, I can basically get on board with the dialect of the black maids, but what throws me off as a reader is when the black maid is quoting the white women and they’re all speaking perfect English without a trace of an accent. It becomes particularly weird when one of the black maids starts to comment on the extreme accent of one of the white women, Celia Foote, whose written dialogue continues to be impeccable. Who is this narrator? Why does she choose not to speak proper English if she can speak it? Why does she choose to give proper English to someone else who she has told me doesn't speak it? Also, usually the layers of narration in a telephone-game book are only within the book. In this case, it’s the author’s voice stabbing through the story. I am convinced it is her whose brain hears the white woman speaking TV English, and the black women speaking in dialect. It gives away the game.
Even the quotes from the movie have an example of this. A conversation between her and Minnie goes like this:
Celia Foote: They don't like me because of what they think I did.
Minny Jackson: They don't like you 'cause they think you white trash.
Celia speaks in a proper sentence, but Minny misses the "are" in the second part of the sentence. Celia says "because," but Minny says "'cause." If the reader were supposed to understand that Celia does not speak in dialect, that would make sense, but since it specifically states that she does, it doesn't make sense.
To attempt to be clear, I didn't have a problem that the book was in dialect. I had a problem that the book said, "This white woman speaks in an extreme dialect," and then wrote the woman's dialog not in dialect. Aerin points out in message 111 that I am talking about eye dialect, which is about spelling, not pronunciation, as in the example above. Everyone, in real life, speaks in some form of non-standard English. Though I have seen some really beautiful uses of eye dialect, as Aerin points out, writers typically use it to show subservience of characters or that they are uneducated, which often has racist overtones. If it troubles you that I'm saying this, and you would like to comment on this thread, you may want to read other comments because it is likely someone has already said what you are going to say.
I’m not finishing this one, and it’s not because I think people shouldn’t like it, but rather because I’m almost 100 pages in and I can see the end, and it’s failed to engage me. When a few IRL friends have asked what I thought of the book and I said I didn't care for it, they have told me that I am taking it too seriously, that it is just a silly, fluff book, not a serious study of Civil Rights. Again, I don’t have a problem with stupid books, but when it’s a stupid book disguised as an Important Work of Cultural History, all I want to do the whole time is tear its mask off. And a book about Civil Rights is always important cultural history to me. Anyway, the book becomes unpleasant; I become unpleasant; it’s bad news. If you loved this book, though, (or, really, even if you hated it) I would recommend Coming of Age in Mississippi. I think that book is one of the more important records of American history. Plus, it’s beautifully written, inspirational, and shocking. It's been years since I read it, so I might be giving it an undeserved halo, but I can’t say enough good things about it.
INDEX OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS REVIEW
"You should finish the book before you talk about it": comment 150 (second paragraph); comments 198 and 199.
“Stockett did experience the Civil Rights Era”: comment 154; comment 343.
“The author of The Lovely Bones was raped”: comment 190.
“The author of The Kite Runner is from Afghanistan”: comment 560.
"Memoirs of a Geisha is accurate and not comparable to The Help": comment 574.
“Don’t be so critical!”: comment 475.
“Have you written a bestseller?”: comment 515.
“Fiction doesn’t have to be a history lesson”: comments 157 through 162.
“Having grown up in the South during this era and having had a maid, I could relate to the emotional nuances of this book”: comments 222 and 223.
"Minny and Aibileen are relatable": comment 626
“You are trying to silence authors”: comment 317 and comments 306 through 316.
“Why do you want to read a Civil Rights book about racism and hatred? I would prefer one about friendship and working together”: comment 464.
“Why are there so many votes for such a half-assed review?”: comment 534.
“Authors can write outside of their personal experiences”: comments 569 through 587.
You’ve got this narrative telephone game in this book. The telephone game is pretty fun sometimes, and it is really beautiful in monster stories like Frankenstein and Wuthering Heights because what they are telling me is not intended as trustworthy or earnest. All of the seriousness in monster stories is an impression or an emotion reflected back through the layers of narrative. I don’t feel that way about the topic of The Help, though. In this book, a white woman writes from the point of view of a black woman during the Civil Rights movement, who overhears the conversations of white women. It's an important topic, and I don't want to hear it through untrustworthy narrators.
So, I can basically get on board with the dialect of the black maids, but what throws me off as a reader is when the black maid is quoting the white women and they’re all speaking perfect English without a trace of an accent. It becomes particularly weird when one of the black maids starts to comment on the extreme accent of one of the white women, Celia Foote, whose written dialogue continues to be impeccable. Who is this narrator? Why does she choose not to speak proper English if she can speak it? Why does she choose to give proper English to someone else who she has told me doesn't speak it? Also, usually the layers of narration in a telephone-game book are only within the book. In this case, it’s the author’s voice stabbing through the story. I am convinced it is her whose brain hears the white woman speaking TV English, and the black women speaking in dialect. It gives away the game.
Even the quotes from the movie have an example of this. A conversation between her and Minnie goes like this:
Celia Foote: They don't like me because of what they think I did.
Minny Jackson: They don't like you 'cause they think you white trash.
Celia speaks in a proper sentence, but Minny misses the "are" in the second part of the sentence. Celia says "because," but Minny says "'cause." If the reader were supposed to understand that Celia does not speak in dialect, that would make sense, but since it specifically states that she does, it doesn't make sense.
To attempt to be clear, I didn't have a problem that the book was in dialect. I had a problem that the book said, "This white woman speaks in an extreme dialect," and then wrote the woman's dialog not in dialect. Aerin points out in message 111 that I am talking about eye dialect, which is about spelling, not pronunciation, as in the example above. Everyone, in real life, speaks in some form of non-standard English. Though I have seen some really beautiful uses of eye dialect, as Aerin points out, writers typically use it to show subservience of characters or that they are uneducated, which often has racist overtones. If it troubles you that I'm saying this, and you would like to comment on this thread, you may want to read other comments because it is likely someone has already said what you are going to say.
I’m not finishing this one, and it’s not because I think people shouldn’t like it, but rather because I’m almost 100 pages in and I can see the end, and it’s failed to engage me. When a few IRL friends have asked what I thought of the book and I said I didn't care for it, they have told me that I am taking it too seriously, that it is just a silly, fluff book, not a serious study of Civil Rights. Again, I don’t have a problem with stupid books, but when it’s a stupid book disguised as an Important Work of Cultural History, all I want to do the whole time is tear its mask off. And a book about Civil Rights is always important cultural history to me. Anyway, the book becomes unpleasant; I become unpleasant; it’s bad news. If you loved this book, though, (or, really, even if you hated it) I would recommend Coming of Age in Mississippi. I think that book is one of the more important records of American history. Plus, it’s beautifully written, inspirational, and shocking. It's been years since I read it, so I might be giving it an undeserved halo, but I can’t say enough good things about it.
INDEX OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS REVIEW
"You should finish the book before you talk about it": comment 150 (second paragraph); comments 198 and 199.
“Stockett did experience the Civil Rights Era”: comment 154; comment 343.
“The author of The Lovely Bones was raped”: comment 190.
“The author of The Kite Runner is from Afghanistan”: comment 560.
"Memoirs of a Geisha is accurate and not comparable to The Help": comment 574.
“Don’t be so critical!”: comment 475.
“Have you written a bestseller?”: comment 515.
“Fiction doesn’t have to be a history lesson”: comments 157 through 162.
“Having grown up in the South during this era and having had a maid, I could relate to the emotional nuances of this book”: comments 222 and 223.
"Minny and Aibileen are relatable": comment 626
“You are trying to silence authors”: comment 317 and comments 306 through 316.
“Why do you want to read a Civil Rights book about racism and hatred? I would prefer one about friendship and working together”: comment 464.
“Why are there so many votes for such a half-assed review?”: comment 534.
“Authors can write outside of their personal experiences”: comments 569 through 587.
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Again, I did not say this, nor do I think it. I said that in my view that is the area of writing in which those writers struggled.

I don't really care if Sparrow finished the book or not. I read the book, the script, and watched the movie. I completely agree with her.
Most of the complaints against this review are trivial little bits of nonsense that basically amount to—I'm not a racist and this book isn't racist, either. I doubt most of the readers of this review even understand Sparrow's discontent with this book—you being one of them.
If someone must spell out their opinion in black and white, plain as day, for the masses to understand, in a way that appeases you, go hire someone to review books for you. Clearly, 300 people understood Sparrow. You were not one of them.

But you think I should have finished this book? This seems weirdly contradictory.

There's no way to win, is there? Fucking ridiculous, I swear.
ETA: I forgot you didn't even rate this thing. People are weird.



I was going to ask about the "I," too! Maybe he is not really him!
Jonathan, I think it is ludicrous to say anyone goes into a reading experience unbiased, unless "unbiased" means with the point of view of a white man, in which case, okay, fair point.


You are not the review god. You're a guy on GR, who by his own admission, hasn't even finished the fucking book and you're chastising someone else who hasn't finished it either.
In fact, among the three of us, I'm the only one who has. Using your screwed up logic, since I agree with Sparrow, my opinion validates hers. Therefor, she's right. You're wrong. Go away.
BTW: No one is unbiased. Not you. Not me. You must think you're fucking Roger Ebert. Alert: You aren't.

No, I just saying there was a chance you might have an "unbiased" opinion. Better luck next time.
I completely disagree that people can go into a book unbiased. I think that is an extremely false and arrogant of you to say that you can. I have never attempted, nor would I attempt, to say I am unbiased. I bring my bias to every book I read, whether I like the book or dislike it. I think my personal bias is what I offer as a reviewer.
Speaking of Les Mis, I'm off to see it in a minute. Have fun sucking at punctuation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_qu...

Coulda fooled "me."


But you didn't finish the book! How do you know their strong dislike wasn't masking displaced sexual tension? Everyone who watches movies or reads romance knows people who appear to hate one another are secretly in love and merely attempting to resist their passionate urges. Skip to the end and see if there's a sex scene!


It ain't fiction, just natural fact.

We came together cuz opposites attract and you know.

Rule 34.
That is so gross, btw. Just think—Ebert's flab flopping all over the place.





I'm not looking to resurrect what appears to have reached some kind of conclusion (I was away, maybe a good thing) but that kind of personal attack bothers me and is off point, besides.
As for punctuation wars, that is only another form of personal attack clothed as "intelligent" argument. Who cares?

But then, after he made his comment, I started thinking, if my comment were about his appearance, then for purposes of that comment, by looking white, wouldn't Jonathan have a neutral, white-male perspective, just like he's saying, because race and gender entitlement is based on appearance and not heritage?
Anyway, I am not trying to weasel out of the idea that I made a joke about Jonathan's appearance because if I had, I'm sort of fine with that. I just think that Jonathan is the one who made it about his appearance and I could have made that comment, even if he was a black woman, and it would have had the same meaning.
I don't think there has actually been intelligent argument in this conversation. I think I got reprimanded for not finishing the book, told how "real" reviewers write reviews, and the ludicrous idea that I think no one can write from imagination got repeated over and over again. The first two of those are such common trolling comments that I think they immediately qualify. Even on this thread, I think those things have been called troll 101. And I believe I addressed the misconstruction that I think no author can write from imagination at least five times yesterday alone. At the point that idea continues to be repeated, I think it is just trolling, not "intelligent" argument.
I had not intended my punctuation comment to be intelligent argument. I had only intended it to be a bitchy reprimand that sank to Jonathan's level. And it looks like that was actually the thing that worked and got him to stop the crazy repetition. Yay!

I'll stop now.




Of course we have our typical villain/antagonist, Hilly and heroine/protagonist Skeeter. Their characters are not very developed in my opinion, as far as what their positions are. I don't ever feel a true sense of who Hilly really is, why she is the way she is and why she is so different from Skeeter. On that point The author never really describes Skeeter's true feelings about race and Civil Rights. It is difficult to see how one lived through that period of time without grasping the importance of the events, especially in the setting.
But there was a warmth and honesty that came through about the feelings that both black and white women shared. I think that despite the lack of any strong black male character, and the omission of the prevalent sexual abuse that many women suffered, there was some truth to the story that many people don't acknowledge. This is that there were some relationships that did involve trust and loyalty and love. Despite the fact that there was a lot of violence and there was oppression in the South, through it all there were people (white people) that knew it was wrong and they reached out to help the individuals that they could. The point of the book to me was that though many tries to draw these lines and borders between people, there were others who knew there weren't any. This book also underscores the purposeful ignorance and lack of knowledge that people had on the difference between African Americans and Caucasians. It was a widespread lack of education even amongst the "educated". That is fascinating to me that there was so much misinformation that actually seems to have been ingrained into the schools, and through the government as a last ditch effort to maintain a way of life that resembled the slaveowner generations.
The lack of self awareness in the author or narrator is very interesting to me, as though writing this book was a way to help her say thank you to her maid that died when she was 16. What does she think that her beloved maid would say? Did she ever travel to her maid's home to see the conditions in which she lived? Did she ever contribute her time to the Civil Rights Movement? She seems to be struggling with her identity, and she doesn't really seem to have a straight answer or position at all, which I find interesting. Her characters, Minny and Aibilene are very strong and though there are some aspects of the "Magic Negro" character element to them, they are relatable. Overall, the book was entertaining and I enjoyed it but I did have a lot of questions and it does seem to be another typical gloss-over of the Southern Way.


That is interesting that you don't feel Skeeter's position as to Civil Rights is very developed. I guess I had assumed it would be, but, here I am, expecting too much again.
It is also interesting that you say most books gloss over things in the Civil Rights Era. I am not extremely well-read in Civil Rights books, but I had not read a book about the topic of race relations that seemed to gloss over things as much as this one - maybe Gone With the Wind, but I have only seen that movie, and it is about a different era, but still probably comparable. Maybe I am just not thinking of some obvious ones.

If you notice in the index of problems, that is the second one down, so comments 154 and 343 apply. Also, nice use of the word "colored."

I'm so glad I finally did that! So much easier than looking up the comments all the time.

Word.

She's a Brit, so I guess it's a bit different over there.
Coloured /=/ Colored I suppose.



I think that's the second "colored" we've gotten on this thread. There should be a bingo game associated with commenting on here.
That, and some white people just love defending racist shit that makes them feel good. It's quite a privilege, you know?