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War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy
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it was amazing
bookshelves: 2010, reading-through-history, russia, rth-lifetime

Some of War & Peace is the same old stuff I remember from Anna Karenina: huge numbers of rich people screwing each other over. But the other stuff - I guess that's the "War" stuff, although it's mostly all war, one way or another - the stuff about Napoleon surprised me because I don't think Tolstoy saw this as "historical fiction." I think he saw it as some fiction parts, and some history parts, and during the history parts he really meant for you to almost switch gears entirely. He did original research: interviewed veterans, visited battlefields. He wrote an enormous novel, interspersed with an enormous history book. Neat, right? It's like a mashup. A really, really long mashup. Holy shit! It's like when Danger Mouse released that album-length mashup of the Beatles' White album (representing history) and Jay-Z's Black album (representing rich people screwing each other)!

Now you know exactly like War & Peace is like. I'm so much awesomer than Sparknotes.

I didn't like this as well as I liked Anna Karenina. Maybe it's because I read AK first, so Tolstoy's tricks - the sprawling casts, the terrifying knowledge of human nature - aren't new to me anymore. Or, maybe it's because W&P is too fucking long. You know this was supposed to be the first of a trilogy? Ha, Tolstoy was such an asshole. And that 40 pages at the end...whew. That's some Ayn-Rand-near-the-end-of-Atlas-Shrugged BS right there (my wife's point, not mine), and you know how I feel about Atlas Shrugged.

That said, though, saying "I liked Anna Karenina better" is like saying "I liked having sex with whats-her-name from Weeds better." The bar is high. War & Peace is a very good book. And I liked the historical stuff, even if it's pretty clear that all that high-minded talk about history's drift could have been summed up as "I totally hate Napoleon."

Translation(s) Review
I read the Briggs and Pevear & Volokhonsky translations alternately. Just swapped back and forth at random. I don't recommend it. They spell names slightly differently, and Briggs has Denisov speak like Barbara Walters for some reason, so the switch is confusing. But here's my verdict: they're both fine. I give the edge to Pevear & Volokhonsky, but only if you don't mind some French; it feels like a lot, but it's only 2%. I do think Briggs can be a bit clunky - and I now know, from P&V's amusingly catty intro, that Briggs wussed out on a bit of Tolstoy's weird tendency to repeat words like six times in a paragraph. (But Briggs' afterword, by Figes, is better.) Really, you're good either way.
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Reading Progress

December 15, 2010 – Started Reading
December 18, 2010 – Shelved
December 18, 2010 – Shelved as: 2010
January 2, 2011 – Finished Reading
July 19, 2011 – Shelved as: reading-through-history
October 13, 2014 – Shelved as: russia
January 2, 2015 – Shelved as: rth-lifetime

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message 1: by Dani (new) - added it

Dani (The Pluviophile Writer) I'm afraid to start this novel as I know so many people that have been trying to finish the damn book for years. After reading Anna Karenina, I understand why. I loved the book but it was definitely long.


Sasha I'd say if you don't think you'd enjoy reading Anna Karenina again, you won't enjoy this. It's certainly more of the same. (Although there's quite a bit more shooting, so that helps.)


Sasha "How desiccated men's minds become, with all that intellectual activity!" (p. 460)


Heather I thought this one was amazing, too. I have to admit, however, that I had a difficult time getting through the second part of the epilogue. I may have to go back and re-read that part.


message 5: by Ken (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ken What? You're DONE????


Marieke yeah! YOU'RE DONE???


Alasse OMG he's DONE!!!!


message 8: by Sasha (last edited Jan 03, 2011 06:02AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha YOU'RE NOT?!

Updated with my review, in case you're interested in what Tolstoy has in common with Jay-Z.

Heather - God, yeah. That second epilogue is brutal. I'd tell people to skip it, but at that point you might as well just bull through...but don't worry if you're not really paying attention.


Sasha And here are some notes I rescued from the review area (I should write these in comments instead):

Russians have parties involving bear fighting. So you're wasting your life. (p.33)

"To tell the truth is a very difficult thing, and young people are hardly ever capable of it." (p. 257)


message 10: by Manny (new)

Manny Tell your wife I laughed at the Atlas Shrugged bit. Spot on!


Marieke i'm pretty excited you liked AK better. i have two versions of that and haven't read either yet. i'll read both as soon as i'm done with W&P haha.

oh, and--keep this up Alex, and you'll put Sparknotes out of business.


message 12: by Sasha (last edited Jan 03, 2011 05:08PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha Will do, Manny, thanks.

Be interested to see how you feel about AK, coming at it second, Marieke. Could be that your impression will be the reverse of mine.

I'm tempted to think AK is more focused, character-wise, but I actually think that perception comes entirely from the title. "Anna Karenina" sounds focused on one person, but it's actually about tons of people, just like W&P is. "War & Peace" sounds sprawling, but some characters get a focused arc with dramatic resolution, just like in AK.

And some characters in both books don't feel like their arcs are really resolved - which is, I think, on purpose. Some of our own dramatic arcs will never be resolved in real life, either. Tolstoy, maybe alone, works on such a true epic scope that he gets to have characters who just fade away, like some real people.


Cindy Ok, tell me straight-up: Second epilogue, pointless, or worth it?


Sasha Both. You're forty pages from the end. You want to spend the rest of your life saying, "I've read War & Peace*"?

* almost

Bull through it. The epilogue is pointless; removing the asterisk is worth it.


Cindy I'm partway through the first epilogue, and it's wrapping up the Rostov's story nicely. So that's worth it so far.

I'll probably read #2 fast. Like Speedy Gonzales fast. Thanks for the input.


Sasha Oh yeah, totally. Skim it. Or did you already? If you say, "It turns out it's the most amazing piece of philosophy written in the last 200 years," one of us will have to die.


Cindy Fight to the death in lootin' pants?


Sasha Lootin' PantBattle! ...I picture one of us reading Tolstoy's second epilogue while the other reads the infamous Rand speech. Lamest fight ever.


Cindy Ridiculously lame. And I'm totally reading "pants" British style. As in undies. That gives "Rootin' in your lootin' pants" a whole new meaning.


Sasha If you're joking about pants as a way to avoid reading that fucking epilogue, I support you. Kirs and I went out to a wicked nice restaurant tonight and then watched a cooking show and then she fell asleep on the couch and now I'm amazingly wide awake and halfway drunk, so yeah.

The dog is snoring louder than her, at least.

After I insisted you read that thing, I spent the next hour second guessing myself: If, unlike me, you're a reasonable person who reads to have fun and doesn't care about things like "Being able to brag that you've read every word of War & Peace, even the lame ones"...there is literally nothing in that second epilogue that you haven't already heard. A purer person than I would skip it.


Cindy Wait, how did you get to the point that skipping the epilogue is "purer"?

We're watching old episodes of The L-Word... no liquor, though, but at least it's escapist? Totally thought I'd finish W&P today, but it hasn't happened...


message 22: by Sasha (last edited Mar 16, 2011 07:15AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sasha I mean...Fielding rails in Tom Jones against those who (paraphrasing) read to have read, instead of reading just to read. I think I sometimes can be guilty of wanting to Achieve A Book, and that isn't supposed to be the point. These last 40 pages of War & Peace...you know they're not good. I told you so, and I'm right about everything. So when I insist that you read them just so you can say you've read every page of W&P...well, who cares? What do you have to prove? You've read every page of W&P that doesn't suck, and a few others too. That's plenty good enough.

A few years ago, while Kirs was in Europe for the summer on a study abroad program, I went for a weekend at the beach with a bunch of older gay women. I was the only dude and the only person under 40 there. We watched L Word every morning while we recovered from our hangovers and got ready to start drinking ourselves into the surf again. One of my favorite weekends, although I'm not sure L Word is necessarily a good show. (Under those circumstances, it was irrelevant.)


Cindy So, you're saying that to read just to read is a purer type of reading? Okay. I'm little miss virgin then. Most of the time. (Can I get a: "that's what she said"?)

Yeah, it's an okay show - very soap opera. I think we watch it for the boobs?

So, what's the opposite of fag hag?


Sasha Cindy wrote: "So, you're saying that to read just to read is a purer type of reading?"

Yep! Also: that's what she said.

I have no idea what the opposite of fag hag is, so I looked it up on the intertubes, which had predictable results. (That link is more or less SFW; just several jokes in poor taste that I sortof laughed at anyway.)


message 25: by Cindy (last edited Mar 16, 2011 07:49AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cindy Wow, that was... something? Emotional tampon and Rug doctor made me chuckle.

I just realized I put "fag hag" on your W&P review. I never would have predicted that combo.


Sasha Some day, some college sophomore will google "War & Peace fag hag" in search of his or her obnoxious term paper, and find this, and smile grimly.


Cindy Oh man, that brings up memories of Google wacking, back when Google wasn't so big and SEOs hadn't ruined it for everyone.


Cindy Ok, I'm back, and here to announce that I'm only half pure.


Sasha Does that mean you read half the epilogue and gave up in disgust?


Cindy Alex wrote: "Does that mean you read half the epilogue and gave up in disgust?"

Yup! I don't know if disgust is the right word, but very glazed over might be more appropriate.

I went back and read the introduction, and they freely admit that contemporaries disliked the book, partly because of its heterogeneity. I don't think Tolstoy's essay in response helped him much. He sounded like an egotistical twat to me.


Sasha Yeah, from everything I know, Tolstoy the man was a total douchebag.


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